Why are NFL QBs paid so much more than coaches?

Discussion in 'Sports' started by kidbourbon, Mar 3, 2014.

  1. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    I'd put Kaep on the elite bubble.
     
  2. Dick Huffman

    Dick Huffman Guest

    I'm thinking Erickson preceded Nolan.
     
  3. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    I don't care why, but I've got a much better shot of winning with a Great QB, mediocre team and mediocre coach than I do with great coach, mediocre QB and mediocre team.

    Hardest job in sports is great QB IMO.
     
  4. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Look up Tarkenton's first five years.

    Look up Warren Moon's entire career.

    Look up Dan Fout's entire career.
     
  5. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Correct
     
  6. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    "generally"

    his first 3 seasons were terrible after that he only had 3 losing seasons the rest of his career. most qbs suck early in their career.
     
  7. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    No, it suggests the organization was middling for years until it hired a great coach. And when I say "suggests", I mean "that's exactly what happened".
     
  8. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    ...or until they find themselves on a team with a great coach.
     
  9. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    few people consider moon a all time great qb. but he still had a .500 wining percentage. the same can be said for fouts.
     
  10. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    if they had drafted Rodgers instead of smith they would have done just fine.
     
  11. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    aikman had the same coach. so did manning.
     
  12. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Yes, almost exactly .500. Which isn't very good. A great coach can step in and improve a team immediately. A great QB can go 8-8 year in and year out over a 15 year career.
     
  13. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    The team Belichick took over in Cleveland was only a couple of years removed from back to back AFC title game appearances.
     
  14. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Eh, hard to say. Rodgers learned a lot toting Favre's water.
     
  15. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    And?
     
  16. Dick Huffman

    Dick Huffman Guest

    Fouts was made by Don Coryell. Moon had the likes of Jerry Glanville, a man whose first concern on Gameday was leaving tickets for Elvis at the gate (and no, I'm not kidding).
     
  17. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't hold my breath.
     
  18. hatvol96

    hatvol96 Well-Known Member

    Yet, Glanville had little problem making the playoffs on a reasonably consistent basis. You just made the case for why players are more valuable.
     
  19. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    what great qb has gone .500 year in and year out? parcells has a 57% wining percentage. and he's considered one of the greats.
     
  20. kidbourbon

    kidbourbon Well-Known Member

    Rodgers is worth 22M a year. Peyton is worth 19M a years.

    Assume those salaries are completely fair, i.e. that their salary is commensurate with the value that they add to their respective teams. And then assume that we're going to similarly pay coaches based on how much value they add to their respective teams.

    How much do you think Belichick should get paid? Harbaugh? Payton?
     

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