First Democratic Debate

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, Oct 13, 2015.

  1. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

  2. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Hillary Clinton sought to contrast the war in Iraq with the intervention in Libya during her stint as secretary of state.

    “I’ve said Iraq was a mistake,” Clinton told Chris Matthews during an MSNBC town hall event on Monday night. “Libya was a different kind of calculation. And we didn’t lose a single person. We didn’t have a problem in supporting our European and Arab allies in working with NATO.”


    https://www.yahoo.com/politics/hillary-clinton-we-didnt-lose-a-single-person-in-142322732.html
     
  3. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    Just her and Obama being hawks and upturning another region into chaos.
     
  4. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    "... we didn’t lose a single person."

    She seems to have forgotten about an Ambassador and some security folks.
     
  5. bostonvol

    bostonvol Chieftain

    To be fair she was specifically talking about Operation Odyssey Dawn, which was the operation to overthrow Qaddafi, not the aftermath.
     
  6. bostonvol

    bostonvol Chieftain

    I can't believe you just made me defend HRC.
     
  7. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain


    But, can you completely divorce the two?
     
  8. bostonvol

    bostonvol Chieftain

    Of course not, just pointing at that the context of the conversation with Chris Matthews was the operation to topple Qaddafi.
     
  9. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain


    I get that, but I'd say Clinton mentioning Libya in any way is pretty much a gaffe at this point.
     
  10. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    Bad week for Bernie. The founder of the super pac for him was just arrested by the FBI on fraud
     
  11. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    He doesn't have a super pac (unless you consider the nurse's union one, which if so whatever). He got cease-and-desist letters from the Sanders campaign last year right from the start, and they've publicly stated his group was illegal and causing harmful confusion. Their statement about his arrest was that they "were not surprised."

    Try to not make stuff up.
     
  12. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Sounds like Bernie's camp could not have done any more to prevent this, or distance themselves from it.
     
  13. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator




    http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/head-of-bernie-sanders-super-pac-arrested-for-fraud-by-fbi/24164/
     
  14. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...nated-to-bernie-sanders-super-pac-or-a-fraud/ (notice the date)



    http://www.publicintegrity.org/2015...bernie-sanders-super-pac-just-dupe-james-bond
    (notice the date)


    This site has links to the actual letters sent.
    http://thebernreport.com/bernie-sanders-sent-super-pac-a-cease-and-decist-letter-in-june/


    Stating or insinuating this super pac was in any way connected to the campaign is dishonest. This guy and his super pac is an example of the type of stuff Sanders is campaigning against, despite Peterson's claims or intentions.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2016
  15. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Which Republican Candidate said this:

    “But if you believe we can all rise together, if you believe we’ve finally come to the point where we can put the awful legacy of the last eight years behind us and the 7 years before that when we were practicing trickle-down economics and no regulation in Washington, which is what caused the crash, then you should vote for _______ ."







    "her" - Bill Clinton



    http://www.theamericanmirror.com/video-bill-clinton-slams-awful-legacy-of-last-8-years/
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2016
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    So they're gonna good cop/bad cop on Obama. And it'll work, because **** we're dumb.
     
  17. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    A video shows Chelsea Clinton blasting the "crushing costs" of President Barack Obama's signature legislation. In the video, Chelsea Clinton tells a crowd that her mother, Hillary Clinton, is open to using executive action to reduce "crushing costs" of Obamacare.

    http://www.weeklystandard.com/article/2001707
     
  18. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    can't be true. I keep hearing that it was net neutral to the gov't. I'm sure the average citizen sees his premium increases as net neutral, after the benefits eroded massively or their deductibles skyrocketed while their premiums increased at well over 50%.

    Seems neutral.
     
  19. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    net neutral? Obama said it would save us billions.
     
  20. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Due to those blowouts in the West in the last round, Sanders has been able to stubbornly avoid mathematical elimination. He needs a +10 or more win in Wisconsin to be sufficiently closing the gap as to be a threat. Not sure that he gets that, though I do think he will win the state.

    He just lost way too much ground in the South, which is disappointing seeing as how those are all going to go Republican anyway.

    If he can hang around, he has shot at making some magic by being close in NY and taking California. Tall orders, but he keeps hanging around...
     

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