NC Amendment 1 Passes (Constitutionally Prevents Gay Marriage)

i'm not saying it wasn't discussed before the bible was written only that perhaps the same people wanting to believe in jesus divinity were the same that wrote the bible.

 

People were embellishing 3 days after Jesus died.

And if you want to look at history (tradition, 10 of the 11 Disciples (other than John) were all martyred (and he was boiled alive). Now, while I understand more people than just these guys have died for a cause before, it's really, really odd that they would die saying he rose from the dead unless they really, really, really believed it.

 

Which is why you'll find a small tent on the other side of the railroad tracks near my house.

Seriously, though, now that we are getting WAY off topic, relating the old covenant laws to the new is quite complex and interesting. Don't have time for a full-blown biblical theology here, but the bottom line is that I think prohibitions like the one above that were directed toward the Hebrew people were either ceremonial or cultural in nature and meant to govern the nation of Israel.

 

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i agree, but why assume, as an example, that paul isn't doing the same for his flock rather than speaking god's word?

 

Ok?

You confirming my above post that the Disciples weren't the first to die for something they believed in?

 

It should be noted i'm not saying what jesus or god does or does not believe or whether or not jesus is god, only that there seems to be enough doubt around to suggest that homosexuality shouldn't be a primary focus of church's time.

 

willing to die for something you believe in doesn't mean what you believe is in correct or accurate.

 

That's fair.

But is also means it could be as well.

 

Sort of a false equivalency, don't you think? I'm sure it's easily construed that intentional harm done to another person would be frowned upon, according to New Testament writings, whereas an area like homosexuality is a little less clear cut and might need to be addressed, if it's so terrible.

 

Not really. If we are going to use the "Jesus didn't talk about it" argument, let's be fair to all subjects.

Oh, and, homosexuality is brought up in the epistles as well if we're broadening the subject to the entire NT.

 

No, this is a complete falsehood based off of logical fallacies and is a reaction to actual scholarship that indicates that the gospels were not recorded near the time of the supposed events. Mark and Luke are littered with anachronisms that don't make sense prior to 70 CE.

 

The families of the 9/11 terrorists may find comfort in this.

 

Maybe this has been sufficiently covered, but when Jesus said "before Abraham was, I am" he was referring to this:

God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you." (Exodus 3:14 HCSB)

It's pretty clear what he meant.

 

I had breakfast with Robbie George one morning and we discussed this. His idea (or at least the first one i heard espouse it) of broadening civil partnerships to non-sexual relationships is interesting. He was not necessarily opposed to gay couples receiving insurance benefits, for instance, as long as, say, sisters who live together in a sort of partnership could also receive them.

 

Ummmm......ok.

 

of course.

 

Name dropper.

 

Ah, so, when Jesus brings up the "do unto others.." statement in Matthew 7:12, molesting children and raping people aren't included in that moral umbrella? Gotcha.

Plus, the epistle mentions are either by Paul or fairly ambiguous. Either way, the issue clearly wasn't a big deal to Jesus, especially in comparison to today's outcry from some quarters and validates my position that people typically seek to affirm pre-existing cultural positions within the Bible.

 

i guess what i dont' understand is why this is of such importance to certain churches. jesus certainly didn't spend a bunch of time talking about it. if the bible had similar language towards bedwetters i don't think we'd be talking about it today.