POLITICS NRA in financial trouble, per the NRA

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  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    A unit is an abstraction. A meter is less abstract. The last meter of your driveway even less abstract. How I would measure each depends on how abstract it is.
     
  2. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Attempt to measure IP's unit:

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  3. JayVols

    JayVols Walleye Catchin' Moderator

  4. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Physical properties can be purposes. A purpose is simply the reason for existence. And if the reason for existence is because of something's physical property, then the physical property is its purpose.

    An example is.. bricks. Bricks are not natural, they are man made and exist because of their physical properties; properties obtained from failed attempts to create bricks, or as a result of using other materials that did not exhibit those desired physical properties. So the purpose of a brick is to be a brick, which is a physical thing, with physical properties, not an abstract thing.
     
  5. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    So what isn't an abstraction, then? Or better yet, what is your point, here?
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Right there my point was that your reply asking what units a unit is measured was exactly the same as the original question of how one measures or quantifies "purpose" if it is not an abstraction. A weapon is anything designed or used to inflict harm or damage. "Used' is obviously the part that is relevant to us in this conversation. There is no point. You are a strong believer in the 2nd amendment as you interpret it, but think it doesn't cover the creation of arms. I'm not so sure, and if true then it is useless.
     
  7. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    So if a purpose is because of something's physical property, then the physical property is its purpose? So a brick is hard and resists being crushed. I can think of many purposes for such a physical property, or most any physical property.
     
  8. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    It is not useless. Not at all. Because commerce would be regulated, and that individual states would dominate that regulation, there would be very very few things government would stand in the way of being made, especially with a business decision. Then the courts decided that intrastate commerce was actually interstate commerce, because anything made internally meant something would be purchased externally, thus affecting interstate.

    But even still, how likely do you think the government is say firearms cannot be manufactured? They didn't even say it when the Federal "assault weapons" ban went into effect; they said they couldn't be sold. They still made a shit ton of them, for law enforcement and military use.

    The government will rarely, if ever, ban the creation of something. It can't, or very very rarely, be imagined now. Why would you imagine it could be then?

    Even nuclear weapons, we don't ban the creation. We just heavily regulate who, what, when and where can do it. And if we don't ban the manufacture of that, what are we willing to ban?

    So if it can't be imagined, why does it need to be included? The answer is it doesn't, that's redundant.
     
  9. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    There are many purposes, which is why intent was also included. But purpose isn't abstract. The thought of the purpose is abstract. Once you put it in to effect, you've created reality, and thus no longer abstraction.

    If you imagine a brick to be an airplane. That's abstract. When you make a brick fly, now its real.
     
  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    And yet the NRA and others don't challenge the banning of 3D printing firearms for fear of broader manufacture bans?
     
  11. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Thought my electron microscopy small penis joke would have attracted some positive reviews. Sigh.
     
  12. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    And yet you called it a brick and not an airplane. An airplane isn't a purpose, anyway. If you think the purpose of a brick is to successfully travel through the air, the physical properties of the brick remain the same as when you imagined the purpose to be a building material, a weapon, a doorstop, etc. So physical property isn't the purpose.
     
  14. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Again, there is no ban on 3D printing. There is a PERSONAL ban. With license, it can be created.
     
  15. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    When it is turned into an airplane, it is an airplane. Until then, its purpose is its base purpose, or resting state, if you ill. Aerodynamics is a physical property.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Should have waited and went with an abstraction of a penis joke.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I will bite. What brick has become an airplane? A powered flying vehicle with fixed wings?
     
  18. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    You do know what "When" means, right? I'm curious, because I can't use smaller words.
     
  19. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Yes, I do. Your example is difficult for me since it doesn't seem plausible to my apparently limited intellect. Sorry I am too dumb to understand bricks that become airplanes
     
  20. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Made into airplanes. Neither bricks nor airplanes are natural creations.
     

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