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That's a problem for them to work out among those two factions. Both are incredibly dependent on US aid. Pretty sure a "Guys, work together and wipe out ISIS for us. We'll write you the big checks you deserve. Then, settle your differences however the [uck fay] you want to. Just keep it in your boundaries" talk would suffice.

 

Well, effectively the US would be Hulk Hogan barging into the middle of a 12-way Hell in a Cell where none of them don't trust the US and 5 of them outright despise the US.

Great for TV, horrible for reality.

There is no winning strategy that doesn't come from the Middle East itself. We can't support the Sunnis as Saudi Arabia are shitasses. We can't support the Shia as Iran are shitasses. Turkey? Turkey is our only legit option as you mentioned but they hate the Kurds and would never legitimize a Kurdistan.

So there is no win for us. The US would just spent billions or trillions of dollars... for what? What is our strategic/economic/etc end-game? We don't need their resources. We don't need their land for bases.

Let them just eat themselves alive.

 

I think that's the main component of what I am saying. I just believe picking a few favorites and calling in a couple of markers can tilt who ends up standing toward those most palatable to us.

 

Why is this a US taxpayer problem to solve?

If anything, financially, it should be a UN/EU problem. Boot the Greeks and let the Turks in on the condition that they dismantle ISIS and oversee ME security. That would be a fun one to watch on the sidelines given how the Greeks and Turks are historical best friends.

 

Put a meaningful buffer between Turkey and a Kurdish state and you'd be surprised. Remember, we didn't give the Jews East Germany or Poland.

 

If the US wants to sit it out, fine. I just don't want to hear any wailing when events like today occur.

 

The Middle East has a whole lot of cultural evolution to undergo before that is a legit discussion.

I'm just not in the group of sending tens of billions in aid to "the lesser of 12 evils".

 

We're giving them the aid anyways. I'm just saying make them earn it.

 

Wiping out the bottom of the pool is a big part of evolution.

 

I'm pissed off at today, sure.

But I'm not wailing by any means. I fully recognize that the ME has been a clusterfark for a millennia and the US will bankrupt itself trying to solve that riddle.

We're nowhere near the first to suffer a domestic attack because of radical islam. The list of nations that have suffered that is quite long. We're the only ones dumb enough to think we can kick down doors and kill our problems.

Spain, UK, France, India, China, Russia, etc have all suffered radical muslim attacks on their home soil. Russia is the only other one to do something and that was just a valid excuse to invade Chechnya. With all of Russias similar door-kicking diplomacy... they haven't solved radical Islam with violence.

Violence doesn't quell radical Islam... it fuels it.

You're dead-on right about one thing. The ME won't be stable until Turkey, Iran, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel allow it to be. Until then? I say we stop bankrolling it. This includes Pakistan very much at the top of the list.

 

If they were just eating themselves, I'd send spoons. They aren't. They are pulling off overseas ops.

And, the point that shouldn't be lost is that they are winning.

 

When was the last time Al Qaeda or ISIS hit Russia?

 

I agree wholeheartedly, but that is not our place and this is way out of our ability to solve.

 

I know a few that served in Iraq. Almost all of them say the only way to win is to kill everyone over the age of 10 and start over.

 

Only problem is there is a zero percent chance of that actually happening.

 

Unfortunately there is some truth to that.

 

Those 2 institutions, under those names, never did because their respective branch of radical islam never gave a shit about Russia.

AQ and ISIS are nothing but name fronts for specifically tailored radical Sunni Islam. Russia has it's own litany of problems with radical Sunni Islam with Chechnya.

 

And even those *******s came to Iraq as mercs.

 

The ones that say it were in the deepest amount of shit over there.

 

Many Turks don't want in the EU.