POLITICS Roll v Wade II

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by Tenacious D, May 16, 2019.

  1. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    A recent, and some would argue draconian, Alabama law severely restricts the performing of abortions in that state.

    Of particular interest, the state sponsor of the the bill openly admits that the new law was specifically written to serve as the means to challenge Roe v Wade with SCOTUS, and which is a sentiment shared by many of his legislative peers.

    I don’t think that this is ultimately going to turn out the way they expect, and strongly believe that the chances of this court doing a full reversal of RvW are equal parts exceedingly remote and highly unlikely.

    But I thought it a matter which was worthy of discussion.

    Link: https://www.apnews.com/7a47ddc761dc4b72a017b0836da3a87b
     
  2. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Quit fighting abortions and start fighting opiate addiction
     
  3. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Super Moderator

    I am a staunch advocate of abortion change. I think anything past the first trimester should be outlawed except when the mother's life is in danger.

    This law, however, is hyperbolic and very draconian, and will probably backfire on them horribly.
     
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  4. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    if the motivation for this is truly a belief that life begins at conception and regardless of viability, why are there no protests outside of fertility clinics, or calls to end envitro treatments?

    there is a level of ignorance and dogmatism necessary to believe outright banning all abortion is going to make a positive change. People (born, thinking people) will die because of this. others will needlessly suffer. we'd be better off looking at how to eliminate the demand than the supply. Sound familiar?
     
  5. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    regarding your first bit: why only if life is in danger? what if the fetus is stillborn or nonviable? what if the pregnancy wasn't even detected until the first trimester and is the product of rape or incest or the mother is 11? there are so many factors besides how far along the pregnancy is.
     
  6. RockyHill

    RockyHill Loves Auburn more than Tennessee.

    I don’t really have a take here other than to say that the Alabama politicians responding with some version of “all life is precious” are complete pieces of shit.
     
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  7. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    the Gov has executed 6 gifts from God since coming into her office, by her own words.
     
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  8. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    The lack of inclusion for those raped or victims of incest is particularly galling.
     
  9. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Super Moderator

    I am a staunch advocate for the abolishing of the death penalty as well. It is a gross miscarriage of justice and the risk of executing an innocent is a price too high to pay.
     
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  10. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    3%, that we know of. don't know why that is acceptable. maybe it isn't widely known or believed.
     
  11. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    I also wonder what the response would be if 25 women voted on a law focused upon male reproduction.
     
  12. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    if you had exception for incest in Alabama, it would nullify the ban.
     
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  13. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    a woman signed it into law so I don't really get that angle. plenty of conservative women put there who think abortion should be illegal. including some who had one themselves and are the worst kind of hypocrite and piece of shit.
     
  14. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Super Moderator

    This is interesting. What would that law look like? because the ONLY law you could pass would be to keep men from procreating. I think this is an apples and oranges comparison, but we will never see eye-to-eye on when a human becomes a human, so I don't want to fall into that old argument.
     
  15. The Dooz

    The Dooz Super Moderator

    Why does Alabama think anybody would want to be born there?
     
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  16. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    One woman. I'm not arguing the law would be different, necessarily, especially in Alabama, but the lack of a voice on an issue which impact women solely and is voted upon by the other sex is problematic, to me.
     
  17. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    The law isn't particularly important, merely that it be an issue only affecting one sex as voted upon by the other, Viagra, vasectomies, etc. The moral issue is different because men aren't carrying a fetus/baby for 9 months, but that reflects my point, as well.
     
  18. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    I only like the death penalty if caught in the act or on video, without there being no shadow of doubt of them being guilty.

    Having kids changed my views on abortion. I agree with Norris. There is a point that there's no doubt that it crosses being a fetus into being a human being.
     
  19. IP

    IP Grusader Knight Errant of the 8th Order

    the point of no doubt? come on. seems to be plenty of doubt.
     
  20. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    The fact that 77% of babies with down's syndrome get aborted shows me where our country is on this issue.

    The vast majority of Americans are willing to kill somebody if they think it will make their life hard.
     

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