The Clock Starts Ticking Now.

Discussion in 'Vols Football' started by hatvol96, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. kmf600

    kmf600 Energy vampire

    Win and losses are the only thing I judge the coaches performance by. I like the recruiting because it gives me fresh hope, but the .500 seasons get old fast
     
  2. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Agreed. Just predicting what will happen.
     
  3. SGMVols

    SGMVols Contributor

    This year will be his last top 5 class if he doesn't start winning meaningful games.
     
  4. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    It will depend on how big of a stink the base and the money make about 7 and 8 win seasons. He has recruited enough talent to get that the next 2 years.

    I think he's gonna get more time than most people here want to see.
     
  5. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

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  6. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    It's going to take a while to fire him with our leadership, if he can win 8 or 9 every year.
     
  7. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    I believe that the following are reasonable means to establish fair expectations (others may disagree):

    1. Tennessee will WIN those games:

    a. Where they are FAVORED to win, and they are playing at HOME.
    b. Where there is an EQUAL chance to win / lose, and they are playing at HOME.
    c. Where they are FAVORED to win, and they are playing AWAY.


    2. Tennessee will SPLIT those games:

    a. Where there is an EQUAL chance to win / lose, and they are playing HOME or AWAY.
    b. Where they are the UNDERDOG to win, and they are playing at HOME or AWAY.


    If you agree, and share these beliefs, then the following seems to be an entirely reasonable expectation for next season:

    Next Year's Schedule / Predicted Results:

    [TABLE]
    [TR][background-color:#f56b00]
    [TH]Date[/TH]
    [TH]Opp.[/TH]
    [TH]@[/TH]
    [TH]Odds - WIN[/TH]
    [TH]Odds - LOSS[/TH]
    [TH]Final Prediction[/TH]
    [TH]Record to Date[/TH]
    [/background-color][/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]9/5[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Bowling Green[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]90%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]10%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]9/12[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Oklahoma[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]2-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]9/19[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]W. Carolina[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]90%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]10%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]9/26[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Florida[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Away[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]60%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]40%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]4-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]10/3[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Arkansas[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]60%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]40%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]5-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]10/10[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Georgia[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]6-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]10/17[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]BYE[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]-[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]6-0[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]10/24[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Alabama[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Away[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]30%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]70%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]LOSS[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]6-1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]10/31[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Kentucky[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Away[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]80%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]20%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]7-1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]11/7[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]South Carolina[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]70%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]30%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8-1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]11/14[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]North Texas[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]95%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]5%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]9-1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]11/21[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Missouri[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Away[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]LOSS[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]9-2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]11/28[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Vanderbilt[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]80%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]20%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]10-2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]01/16[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Bowl Game[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]Neutral[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]WIN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]11-2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    And, if you want to break the season down by the odds (e.g. Favored, Even, Underdog):

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TH]Type Games[/TH]
    [TH]# Games[/TH]
    [TH]% All Games[/TH]
    [TH]Predicted Record[/TH]
    [TH]Winning %[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]FAVORED[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]61%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8-0[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]EVEN[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]31%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]3-1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]75%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]UNDERDOG[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]0-1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]0%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH]ALL[/TH]
    [TH]13[/TH]
    [TH]100%[/TH]
    [TH]11-2[/TH]
    [TH]85%[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Or, if you want to look at it by Location (e.g. Home, Away, Neutral)

    [TABLE]
    [TR]
    [TH]Type Games[/TH]
    [TH]# Games[/TH]
    [TH]% All Games[/TH]
    [TH]Predicted Record[/TH]
    [TH]Winning %[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Home[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]61%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8-0[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Away[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]31%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]2-2[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD="align: center"]Neutral[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]8%[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]1-0[/TD]
    [TD="align: center"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TH]ALL[/TH]
    [TH]13[/TH]
    [TH]100%[/TH]
    [TH]11-2[/TH]
    [TH]85%[/TH]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Just my $.02
     
  8. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    If you add up the percentages the expected value for wins is 8.55.
     
  9. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    I added up the percentages and we had like eleventy billion % chance of winning.
     
  10. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    Percentages are calculated by game, and prediction.

    Later, percentages are meant to show the breakdown of each categorized value.

    Maybe I got it wrong. It made sense to me, if that helps.
     
  11. DC Vol

    DC Vol Contributor

    I'd put Arkansas at a 50/50 split.

    They sit right between 2 much more urgently needed wins against SEC-East foes. To me, with a young team, it's a much more disposable game than Florida or Georgia are.
     
  12. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    Convert the percentages to decimals to get expected values for wins and losses.

    .9 +.5 + .9 +.6 +.6 + .5 +.3 +.8 +.7 +.95 +.5+ .8 + .5 = 8.55 Wins

    .1+ .5+ .1 +.4 +.4 +.5 +.7 +.2 +.3 +.05 +.5 +.2 +.5 = 4.45 Losses

    If your percentages are right and we played our schedule 30+ times, that's what you'd expect out average W-L to be: 8.55 - 4.45.

    I personally think a good coach gets 9 regular season wins out of this team.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I totally get what you are saying, and are correct. He is treating each game as a discrete event, whereas you are actually looking at it from the perspective of a series of events.
     
  14. MWR

    MWR Contributor

    Careful, 11-1 gets Butch a lifetime contract. :)
     
  15. kmf600

    kmf600 Energy vampire


    #1. Did you do this on your phone? #2. That's like your opinion, man. #3. Looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.
     
  16. dc4utvols

    dc4utvols Contributor

    Likely Wins:
    Bowling Green
    West Carolina
    Kentucky
    North Texas
    Vandy

    Toss Ups favoring UT:
    Missouri
    South Carolina
    Florida

    Toss Ups favoring the opponent:
    Oklahoma
    Arkansas
    Georgia

    Likely loss:
    Alabama

    prediction
    9-4 with bowl win
     
  17. woodshed

    woodshed Active Member

    7-5... Losses to OU,Fla,Ark,Bammer,Mizz...Come back down to earth fellas.
     
  18. kmf600

    kmf600 Energy vampire

    Don't forget the Butch factor and we'll be breaking in an O/C that hasn't been in football in how many years, 2?
     
  19. woodshed

    woodshed Active Member

    You're right KMF. 6-6. We still go to a bowl!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  20. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    Yeah, but so does 8-4.
     

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