Trump is GOP Nominee

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  1. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    This. Most Americans are sick of career politicians.
     
  2. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    I agree while adding the caveat that I do prefer them over Kanye West.
     
  3. zehr27

    zehr27 8th's VIP

    I prefer a pile of dog shit over Kayne West.
     
  4. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor

    How can you be so sure? I think it's just as plausible that it's a bigger problem, but lack of institutional support and fear of social repercussion keep young women from reporting it.
     
  5. Indy

    Indy Pronoun Analyst

    That's how I feel about our current head football coach.
     
  6. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor


    Yeah but it doesn't excuse fascist sentiment and views. For him being such a great businessman, has he said anything about his plans to mitigate our national debt, or his plan to decrease unemployment? It seems to me that his schtick is taking the career politician and becoming a cartoon version of it, playing on fear and oversimplifying complex problems while at the same time making these issues bigger than the election. He's thriving on scare tactics and not actual policy. I think people aren't fed up with politicians, they're fed up with PC culture and being told what they should think. Even I saw this coming in 2009. Bush threw us toward the right wing, and the Dems played off of that to get Obama elected, and even though we haven't even swung that far left, the the media has sent the pendulum back the other way with sensationalism and scare tactics. If there's anything the American public loves more than anything, it's drama. The 24 hour news networks used it to get ratings and now Trump is using it to steal a nomination. But once more I think people are overrating his chances. And you guys are completely discounting Bernie Sanders. He's doing all the things Obama did, his policies are favorable to the working class, and those tired of "career politicians" can also look at his record and see that he's been astoundingly consistent. Is socialism really worse than fascism?


    All I know is that if Mitt Romney were in the running this cycle, I probably would have voted for him. I damn near did it in 2012. I am interested in Kasich but would be more interested if he had a better chance.
     
  7. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    I don't know the stats, but I would think women in college would be more likely to step up and report that uneducated of the same age.
     
  8. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    I've posted DOJ and FBI statistics in the college sexual assault thread. Our criminal system is to designed to handle. If colleges want to print out information and help report these things to the authorities to investigate, I have no issue with that at all.

    College officials playing kangaroo court room and going around due process on public campuses, should be called out for the political witch hunt that it is.
     
  9. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor

    The mistake is assuming an college acceptance letter makes them more confident or educated than their non-collegiate counterparts. In some cases that could be true, but not every girl that goes to college at 18 is prepared for it and all it entails. I know quite a few who would be too intimidated to speak out. Good grades do not equal good confidence or independence. They don't teach away naivete in high school.


    As a matter of fact, outside of college, I think there's a better chance of SA conviction as it's less likely that the attacker will come from a place of privilege. In college it mostly seems like it's a frat kid or athlete, and even if it's just a regular student, they're more likely to have access to a competent defense team than a regular person outside of college.
     
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  10. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    I certainly don't believe the rhetoric that it's more of a problem today than it was say 20 years ago
     
  11. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor

    If you want to say that colleges need to look at the way they handle these sorts of things, I agree, but the victim should never feel intimidated and I think an 18-19 year old girl who's probably never seen the inside of a courtroom might get intimidated with a determined defense lawyer doing everything he can to discredit her.
     
  12. ptclaus98

    ptclaus98 Contributor

    I wholeheartedly agree. I think it's better today than it's ever been. I still don't think that makes it okay.
     
  13. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator


    They're charging someone with charges and allegations that could affect them for the rest of their life. I still think the due process of the legal system is best to address that, even with however scary that maybe.
     
  14. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    1. I thought we were talking about averages, not all cases (or even most.)
    2. I thought we were talking about report rate, not conviction rate.
     
  15. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Agreed. It's probably better, if only because the issue gets some attention.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    1. Don't understand what you're saying here.

    2. He's definitely speaking to the report rate. He's saying some people won't report because they think there is no chance of it sticking. This is sometimes related to who the perpetrator was. I personally know multiple women who have said this. ESPECIALLY when there was drinking involved, because they know that folks will say they were at fault for putting themselves in that position.
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    1. Don't understand what you're saying here.

    2. He's definitely speaking to the report rate. He's saying some people won't report because they think there is no chance of it sticking. This is sometimes related to who the perpetrator was. I personally know multiple women who have said this. ESPECIALLY when there was drinking involved, because they know that folks will say they were at fault for putting themselves in that position.
     
  18. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    So you guys actually think that college women are LESS likely to report on average?
     
  19. A-Smith

    A-Smith Chieftain

    I said something about the average of college vs. non-college and he comes back with something like "not all coeds are confident and wise enough to report."
     
  20. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    Of course it doesn't make it ok, but the question is what can we do about it? Does anyone think a "take back the night" rally has stopped a single sexual assault?
     

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