Obamacare

Oh well, at least I have more job security now.

 

Haven't they said that you can't impose a penalty but that they have to go to the gov. run program. I Think thats how I understood it.

 

It will be great to see the right wing mongoloids who have acted as if Roberts is the second coming of Learned Hand go crazy about this decision.

 

That would be absurd. A mandate without a penalty for noncompliance is no mandate at all.

 

Its very confusing at this point. It may not be as big as victory as Obama may have wanted. The parts of it keeps changing as they continue to digest it.

 

"For us to say that you've got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase." - Obama

 

Should become a bigger part of the election now.

 

I am stunned that it was upheld (kudos to Law and the rest for calling it).

This is a triumphant decision for President Obama, and his re-election campaign. Politically, there is no other way to see it, whatsoever.

As an opponent of the law, I can take solace in two things:

1. Our system of checks and balances was played out, fully, and to the point of conclusion. I don't like the result, but I am satisfied with the ruling.
2. Any fear of Chief Justice Roberts' partisanship (as it affects his ruling) should never again be a source of speculation.

 

Unbelievable. Perhaps he should go testify to the SC they can strike this down.

 

this is the worst case. not only are we offering healthcare to everyone no matter what their health for the SAME PRICE, but we there will be no penalties if you don't get insurance. So I can not pay for 20 years, smoke like a chimney, get cancer, sign up for this sucker, and i still pay the same as a healthy 22 year old. Unbelievable. And frankly why the hell WOULDN'T you do that?

 

I'm all kinds of confused right now. So it's obviously upheld but no punative action can be taken for states that do not wish to play. The only thing I'm understanding right now is that we'll be shelling out more $. About right?

 

Are you saying that Obama lied? (snicker)

 

That seems to be a "suggestion", doesn't it? The differences that lie between "shall" and "may" or even "should" can be mountainous.

 

Thats pretty much how this non lawyer sees it.

 

I would hope that any nominee, of any President, would similarly fail the partisanship standard.

 

the way it reads. the govt can tax the individual person for not buying healthcare, but it can't impose any penalties if they don't pay the tax.

 

This all sounds like the insurance companies won't be able to survive and UHC is now inevitable.

 

So essentially we're left with this

1. Insurance is mandatory.
2. If I don't have insurance, I have to pay a tax.
3. The govt can do nothing to me for not paying the tax.
4. I can get sick, sign up for insurance, I have to be approved, and pay no more than if I had it my entire life.
5. I can cancel insurance and go back to paying nothing.

Am I reading this right?

 

To paraphrase an old Baptist hymn, "I shall not pay, I shall not pay" From the Hymn, "I Shall Not Be Moved".

 

Surely that isn't accurate.