POLITICS President Trump: 100+ Mornings After (Term 1 Complete)

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by IP, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Tricky [penis] was going to and did win in a complete landslide vs McGovern, yet he was still compelled to order a break in to the DNC.

    Paranoia is not logical, so applying logical thought to it is pointless.
     
  2. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    any personal gain? What if he really thought he should be investigated?
     
  3. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    no. He wouldn’t even know that would be his opponent.
     
  4. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    As testimony noted in the hearings, he was only really interested in an announcement of an investigation. The rest he didn't care. It was about the optics.
     
  5. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    He knows he's likely to be. C'mon.
     
  6. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    he doesn’t even know that now, but he knew that then? C’mon
     
  7. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    again you are saying you can read the mind of someone you think is unstable and erratic
     
  8. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    So, you think he's going to be blindsided when Biden is the nominee? He's a political rival and everyone had known for years the #1 likely suspect for the 2020 election on the Dems side. Plus, it's not like Biden's the only potential nominee he went after. It's a pretty thin argument to say he didn't view Biden as a serious political threat.
     
  9. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    People testified to the idea Trump merely wanted an announcement. This stuff is all out there.
     
  10. ben4vols

    ben4vols Contributor

    Schiff still dragging poor Carter Page through the mud. Schiff is everything wrong with DC politics currently. A completely detestable character.
     
  11. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    I don't think he was concerned about doing "the right thing". I think he did it because he doesn't like Biden and knew his son had some shady dealings going on.
     
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  12. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Things that make you go hmmmm....

    1) Democrats - The Biden's did nothing wrong in the Ukraine

    2) Democrats - Trump withheld money for an investigation into the Biden's for political gain

    3) If #1 is true, what would he gain?
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    looks like you need to listen to the testimony again. The appearance of an investigation was just as good as an actual investigation according to the ask to the Ukrainians, which gives away what it was all about.
     
  14. cpninja

    cpninja Member

    you're smarter than this
     
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  15. ben4vols

    ben4vols Contributor

    Democrats - Trump Asking for an investigation of a political opponent is election meddling.

    Democrats - Of course the Mueller Investigation didn't alter the outcome of 2018 midterms (even though his team knew long before the election there was no collusion yet he wouldn't say that). Of course the partisan impeachment isnt 2020 election meddling. No one is above the law, it just so happens the election is less than a year away. Muh convictions.
     
  16. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Ben: Ukraine is the 51st state.
     
  17. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Oh; the appearance of an investigation hurts a Presidential candidate just s much as an actual investigation.

    Explains why the Democrats have been calling for investigations and investigating Trump since his election.

    Got it!
     
  18. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    who did they withhold appropriated defense aid from to get the investigation? because that is the issue. you get that, right?
     
  19. VolDad

    VolDad Super Moderator

    Where does it say that the reason was he withheld aid?

    Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election. He did so through a scheme or course of conduct that included soliciting the Government of Ukraine to publicly announce investigations that would benefit his reelection, harm the election prospects of a political opponent, and influence the 2020 United States Presidential election to his advantage. President Trump also sought to pressure the Government of Ukraine to take these steps by conditioning official United States Government acts of significant value to Ukraine on its public announcement of the investigations. President Trump engaged in this scheme or course of conduct for corrupt purposes in pursuit of personal political benefit. In so doing, President Trump used the powers of the Presidency in a manner that compromised the national security of the United States and undermined the integrity of the United States democratic process. He thus ignored and injured the interests of the Nation.

    Withholding aid was the means that he allegedly did the above; but the above is why he was they voted to impeach him.

    You get that right?
     
  20. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    it's part of the pressure referred to. you know that.
     

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