Barron Trump Thought Beheaded Image Was His Dad

Glad CNN cut ties.

 

Schneider is John Wayne by comparison.

 

I had no idea she had a show on CNN. Her not being able to advance a liberal agenda is a major blow to Trump's reelection hopes.

 

Even as a conservative (by today's definition of the word) I have to laugh at all the outrage on the right considering the many times I saw Obama hanged in effigy, depicted as a monkey, eating watermelons/bananas and having been shot or appearing in crosshairs over an "I have a dream" caption....

 

I hope it is. She is a POS.

 

I bet anything there is a photo somewhere of her and Trump together all yukking it up... Can't wait for it to surface...

 

We run around in different circles.

 

There were some incredibly ugly depictions of Obama, he's right about that. I don't think they were that hard to find.

 

Yes there were. It doesn't make what KG did any less terrible (not that you're saying otherwise). Two wrongs and such. We're always going to see less noise from those on the same perceived 'side'. The way it is.

 

Stupid thing to do, but I really don't see the big deal either.

 

The guy is the President. That doesn't make him free from reproach but we should also have enough respect for the office not to simulate his beheading.

Rubs me the wrong way.

 

Comedy, like art, should do that from time to time.

 

I just don't see the big deal at all.

Who cares what Kathy Griffin does?

She thought it'd get her some free pub (it has), and as soon as the smoke clears a bit, her liberal pals will subtly champion her for it, it'll turn into a free bit in her next comedy act. And for all of this, she's lost what, a gig hosting New Year's Eve on CNN? Totally worth it.

I did notice that her apology neither directly addressed either Trump or the office of the POTUS. But, matters little.

 

I agree but disagree that this arrives at THAT end. There isn't a single thing funny about it. It's not comedy. Sometimes only a comedian can throw a fact in your face. But this isn't a reality thatvwe all need to open our eyes to or something. Even if you wanted to view this as a symbol of the liberal attack on Trump and as a comedian you want to make the point that things are going overboard, then I think you could find a more suitable image.

 

Again, in both art and comedy - where and when the work "lands", or to what larger truth it seeks to show, is -by definition- entirely up to the artist alone, and stands precisely where it was intended. And wherever that is, it is completely independent of your interpretation, sentiment, dis/belief, dis/comfort, dis/agreement, boundaries of appropriateness or acceptance or rejection of it.

I'm not saying that you aren't justified (completely, even) in feeling like this was inappropriate, tasteless, tactless, "over the line", offensive, etc. I'd say that's completely understandable, but I'd also say that's completely the point. And I'm damned sure not saying that Kathy Griffin is some "artist" in the traditional sense, that she did this for any reason other than sheer publicity, or that she intended it as some high-minded artistic effort. Hell, I'm not even sure that she intended anything, knew what she was doing, or could conceive it, even if it was slowly explained to her. But it's an artistic work, which requires an artist, nonetheless.

I'm merely pushing into the notion that something must be necessarily condemnable, simply because it's offensive, disturbing, accidental, shitty, inappropriate, or even unfunny and stupid.

For a group who doesn't need "...reality that we all need to open our eyes to or something.", you guys are taking this with a surprisingly high sense of shock and bewilderment. And such is your right.

To me, it seems impossible to condemn the squelching of free speech at Cal, on one hand, but not make room for this, on the other.

 

I don't think anyone here is saying she didn't have the right or ability to do it. Or that it was outside the purview of being an "artist".

But freedoms come with responsibilities, and she is now suffering the consequences of those actions. And I agree, it is usually comedians who push the envelope, bring things up that are very uncomfortable. But if not careful, you can cross the line, and I think this is one of those times where it verged from being avant-garde and became crude and unnecessary.

 

We, as a society, want 100% of the freedoms and 0% of the responsibilties.

 

There is obviously room for it - it is just highly inappropriate speech.

 

And there it is...