How bad are we underachieving?

So are you changing positions now to where he didn't say we should have won 45-0, or are you just confused again and now think that's something I said?

 

I've followed the entire thing. He finally tried to clarify (I guess third time being called out is the charm?) and came back with some bull shit about nuance in comparing hypotheticals. Which is another way of saying "yeah, my hypothetical is really stupid."

The point of a hypothetical is to provide a scenario that didn't happen but could happen as a means to prove a point. In order to achieve that goal, the hypothetical has to be based in some sort of reality.

I could provide a hypothetical situation and say that Wabash College's football team would beat LSU this year if they played on a rainy Thursday morning and all the Wabash players ate Wheaties for breakfast. And everyone would say, "Indy, that's a dumb ****ing hypothetical" because it's not based in any sort of reality.

Neither is the 45-0 bullshit. The talent gap is not there, nor is the gap in coaching ability that large. It's a complete fantasy with no basis in what actually exists.

 

So. No one said UT should have beaten Florida 45-0. Now we can move on.

 

All that rambling was stupid. It's not a worthless hypothetical. And yes, the coaching gap is that large. I guarantee everyone is with me on that.

 

If we had Freeze, Sumlin, Mullen, or (insert any other "half decent" coach) this team would be 7-1 at worst and in the top 10 or right on the verge of it.

They were talking on the Tony B show yesterday about how this year's team (per the eye ball test and coaching aside) is a top 10 team. I agree.

 

Coaches should put their players in positions to succeed. Butch is actually doing the opposite with the offense.

McElwain doesn't have much to work with, but he's making it work.

 

A reasonable outlook to have. Indy can't do the eyeball test and put coaching aside.

 

You're dumb. If Urban, Saban, Harbaugh, and maybe one or two others had been at UT for three years we SMOKE that UF team.

 

In hindsight, I wish we would have gone after and hired Mullen. I probably wouldn't have been happy at the time, because it wouldn't have been the splash hire we all wanted, but I really do think he could have done well here.

 

Heck, the 3 coaches I mentioned wouldn't have blown a 13 point lead and probably tack on another score to put the fork in em.

 

People have already said they're not impressed with him in this thread. Some have given him even less credit than I do.

 

Mullen, Kiffin, Cutcliff, Chaney et al would have Dobbs playing spectacular football.

 

No. You just only look at the shit that benefits your argument. You ignore the fact that no one made a play on the final Florida TD. You ignore the fact that Dobbs was a couple lucky rolls away from fumbling into a safety and fumbling away our last drive. You can't just look at the good things we do and ignore the bad or blame it entirely on the coach.

If they had been here 3 years, the team would look completely different.

That's not 45-0

 

I completely disagree. But it doesn't matter because there is literally no way to refute that claim.

 

What? You don't think good to great offensive guys would get better production out of Dobbs? Jesus.

 

If 4 non biased college football analysts ranked the top 15 teams in the country in terms of collective talent on the entire roster, I don't think Tennessee even makes the discussion. Everyone who is talking about Tennessee having top 10 talent is a Tennessee guy.

 

There are 2 MAYBE 3 more talented teams in the SEC than UT. LSU & Alabama. a&m and UGA might be in the discussion, but I really don't think they are as talented as us. Clemson has talent. FSU has talent. TCU, OSU, MSU. That is a TOTAL of 9 teams. Now you name the other 6.

 

Horse hockey

 

Explain how some of the best qb coaches/offensive minds in football couldn't do a better job than a secretary and a graduate assistant

 

Greg McElroy and Booger McFarland aren't "Tennessee guys".