"Intelligent Design" and "Irreducible complexity"

I was taught that you only go to hell if you reject god when presented to him. well if i meet him face to face I assure you I will believe in him. i don't think it's anywhere close to a slam dunk theologically that non christians go straight to hell.

 

By that, you took Faith out of the picture.

 

how so?

 

That the only way you would believe is to meet Him face to face.

 

the question is whether god requires faith while you are on earth to avoid hell.

 

You can't get to God, except through Jesus.

 

See the Rich man and Lazerus.

 

I'm sure if many of you were born in Pakistan, you'd all be Baptist and love Jesus. It's definitely not someone's upbringing that essentially decides their religious beliefs.

 

In my case, it wasn't.

 

It's still more or less a function of where you live. If you lived in Pakistan or Iraq, you'd be Muslim. And, according to most in this thread, that automatically sends you to hell. I think that's an unreasonable position.

 

According to most in this thread? Assume much?

 

They know who they are. I obviously wasn't talking about you.

 

You aren't alone

 

And, I should apologize. Upbringing was the wrong term. I should have said "where one lives." My fault.

 

I haven't seen anyone calling for anybody to go to hell.

 

You must have missed the discussion on the previous page.

 

No they are just saying we are by our nature deserving of eternal torture and can only be saved by believing what they do, which is a great deal because we don't deserve to be saved anyway. That is totally reasonable.

 

I'm not sure how John 3:16 could be any clearer but in any case if you're genuinely interested in this particular subject I would recommend reading what the Bible has to say about it.

 

That's not necessarily true. Christians are persecuted in that area of the world everday.

 

If you disagree with the notion that you're not Christian by function of your parents being Christian and you being in a primarily Christian nation and would honestly try to say that if you were born in the average Pakistani home that you wouldn't be Muslim, I think that's absurd to the point that a rational conversation can not be had.