Pete Rose

He wasn't really a kiss ass, he just wasn't a [penis] head.

 

The only guy I can say with certainty didn't use PEDs was Greg Maddux.

 

Chipper Jones always had a beer gut and never looked the part of a guy that worked out much.

 

They didn't call him 'Mudslide' for just anything.

 

Rafael Palmeiro was vocal. We see how that turned out.

 

I agree. Now his supporters argue that's his betting was okay because he only bet on his own team. Honest Pete says so.

 

Fair enough.

 

Palmeiro was vocal that he didn't use them. That's a lot different than what Thomas has said.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/mlb/2014/07/26/frank-thomas-mlb-against-steroids/13216839/

 

Should Ty Cobb, Tris Speaker and any other early guy in the HoF be booted for gambling? It was common practice.

I'm not defending Rose's actions. He messed up, and he's paying for it. I'm just not convinced that what he did is that much worse than a not so small number of other guys that are already in the HoF did.

 

You make a good point about amphetamines.

 

Anyone think Griffey Jr. used PEDs?

 

Or coke and alcohol if you played for the Mets in the 80's.

 

If he was, he wasn't ever healthy enough for anyone to notice

 

They use adderall as a masking agent for performance enhancers.

 

If Griff Jr and/or Maddux ever go down for PEDs my childhood will be over.

 

I would never watch baseball again if Griffey admitted to using PED's.

 

He needs to request a refund if he did.

And no, I don't.

Kind of forgot about this thread.

 

I agree, and it's not even debatable.

 

I would buy a ticket to a baseball game, just to watch Maddux pitch.

 

I'm glad you guys feel that way. I was never a fan of any of the teams he played for but just loved the way Griffey played, loved his swing.

My guy during that time, Mike Piazza was an obvious user.