Prager: Single Payer Healthcare

all I know is the public schools here have 4 times the number of administrators as the private schools. and of course pay administrators and teachers 40% more if you include benefits. it's not hard to figure out why the private schools kick the public school's ass here. that being said, i'm sure it's not the same everywhere.

 

Private prisons aren't the issue. That's a symptom of a broken justice system that is way over reaching

 

Wait, what?

Why should the "cherry-picked" kids be forced to stay in an already failing school? When will this wholesale change and improvement occur, and when? And how many decades should we wait for this near-magical change to occur, at all, much less to prove beneficial in any way? What to do until then? Why hasn't it happened thus far, given that public schools have essentially held a cornered market for years, and what reason is there to hope that it will ever occur? Forgive me for failing to believe that the problem will be solved via equal parts hope and wishful thinking.

And "one parent [doesn't] get to use public money in order to benefit their kid at the expense of other kids" - that's inaccurate at best, and disingenuous, at worst.

School vouchers will be afforded to every child, to use as they wish.

Public schools will have no more dis/advantages than any other school. If they are as great as some believe, or your hoped-for change finally occurs, they should thrive.

Public schools won't be "gutted" financially, as the vouchers are for the exact same amount as the monies which taxes have already paid - and which they'll only lose if they lose a student to another school. And even when this occurs, the new school will get the exact same amount of money as the former one, so they'll not only fail to have an advantage, but will be challenged to produce better results for the exact same dough. If they fail to do so, they'll suffer the same financial loss as the public school.

Look at this thread - there are many people who seem both pleased and perfectly content with their public schools, and aren't likely to move even with the availability of a voucher. Some exodus will inevitably occur, but it's unlikely to be as en mass as some fear. And, even if this does occur, you could also just as easily see a mass migration into public schools...if they are efficiently ran and produce superior results to those attained elsewhere, that is.

If public schools are proven to remain to be the best option, I see no reason why they should fear either any level of competition or the ability for any student to leave, whatsoever, because what parent would simply remove their child from a perfectly good and well-functioning school?

This seems abundantly obvious to me, but maybe I'm missing something.

 

Work is being done in this post.

 

Cream will always find a way to rise, as it always has and forever will.

If you can name a man-made demand that never encountered a man-made supply, I'd like to hear it.

If that private school had a higher demand, it would expand and grow. If it isn't, then it doesn't. But, that may be rather indicative of parents who can aftord private school, but are perfectly content with their public school. Simply, that lack of demand for private schooling in your area may not have resulted from a purely a financial choice, alone - and the availability of school vouchers is unlikely up affect that, so long as the public school continues to perform and is most preferred.

 

There's one thing I love about California.

Finally.

 

Incorrect. The demand is so great, 80% of applicants are turned away. Only 20% of people able to pay are allowed to pay.

The demand is extremely high. The supply is kept purposely low.

Public school is so abhorrent by whites in Memphis that they have literally flighted away from it, to North Mississippi, Jackson, and greater Memphis area (Cordova, Collierville, Barlett, Germantown).

And private schools have still kept admissions low, so as to keep standards up. When the schools want to make more money, they just raise tuition. Because they know it is going to get paid. Period.

And it has nothing to do with volume.

 

The POTUS is paid by the taxpayer so yes you did pay for his kids to go to private school. A lot of private schools dont have buses. Public schools probably wouldn't bus outside a set area. So no the problems will not be shuffled around. Motivated parents will drive their kids to better schools. Such parents will work to escape their own problems in order to then provide their children with better. The unmotivated will stay were they are at. But hey they can still get free breakfast, lunch, and supper. Then they can stay at the free after school program until they are bused home around 7pm all on your dime. Unless its summer in which case they will watched for free all day long. When they get home they can play xbox and eat junk food.

 

Yeah we have been fixing these issues since the mid 1960s and to the tune of 20T+ dollars via Johnson's Worst Society.

Its not going to happen, ever.

"For ye have the poor always with you..." - Jesus

 

Obama already had money from his book deals. Plus, Obama got paid a salary for his job, he didn't simply get a voucher from the government for private schooling. If you're going to go that route, then every govt. employee gets a voucher if their kid goes to private school when it's really a salary.

You're not familiar with a lot of school systems, are you? Open enrollment and specialty schools in a lot of cities, like Nashville, mean kids bus to schools from all over the city/county. Otherwise, justifying this on "motivated parents" is completely erroneous as the parents aren't going to school, the kids are. You want to penalize these kids because their parents aren't up to par and that isn't remotely acceptable to me, especially in the denigrating manner in which you characterize it.

But, you aren't understanding the meaning of the problems being shuffled around. It means that the same collection of students exist wherever you locate them. If merely putting them in private schools meant higher levels of achievement, then that would be reflected in the places of the study I linked previously. However, the indicators and data show otherwise. Vouchers are merely another right wing attempt to destabilize public education and will fail at the cost of a more fractured and less effective educational system in America.

 

There are absolutely, with 100% certainty, things that we could be doing which would improve education and have nothing to do with welfare or Great Society programs.

 

But we're not remotely heading in that direction, IMO. We change course every three years anyways. The political system is really poor at running and maintaining educational policies.

It's a broken top down centralized system that tries to make way too many variables fit into a nice little box.

 

You are mistaken in the fact that schools already are losing funding, at the expense of private entities already, like charter schools.

Look, believe me or don't believe me, but I see this shit all the time. If you think every kid will have equal access to private schools through vouchers for all kids whose parents want them there, then you are kidding yourself. Private schools are selective. Charter schools dump kids all the time in order to boost test scores, keep their image intact, etc. and public schools have become more and more of a dumping ground for these type of social experiments by conservatives who sell parents on these deals. It isn't absolute. There are some great public schools with great teachers and administrators and the rest of them aren't going the route of Eastside High in Lean on Me, but I have seen a noticeable fracturing of the student population in my and other schools in the last 10 years. It's been expensive and not beneficial to the educational system, at all. In fact, it's been a net negative, but, oh, have the privatization advocates sold it. Yes, they've sold it.

So, you'll get your vouchers, I have little doubt. They won't work and we'll move on to the next great idea of either testing, privatization of some sort or more intensive teacher reviews and the cycle will continue.

 

If you're only getting 20 out of every 100 applicants into private school, how realistic is the fear that other private schools won't emerge with funds available via vouchers?

If parents are already going to such terrific lengths to avoid Memphis' public schools (forget even the reasons why, or the fairness of that) - how could that do anything but further incentivize the opening of more private schools?

Willing buyer + more widely available funds = someone will find a way to sell them what they want.

 

I get all of this. Three questions:

1. Who do you think is best to decide the educational path of a child, their parents or the government?
2. Should a child be essentially trapped in a less than optimum school, for their own individual needs?
3. Are more options and competition generally better or worse?

 

Ol' Tenny D is going to start me a private school once vouchers come along and get this shit turned around.

Curriculum will be heavy on JFK, Andy Griffith, Jesus, Guns, Fishing*, Football and early-mid 21st century Christian apologetics.

*Elective, subcontracted faculty position

 

LOL my sister works for the public school system. She has a masters from TTU and an EDS from UT.

I also speak of first hand knowledge when speaking in such a denigrating manner. A former client of mine is a public housing authority. I've seen the pampered little sh*ts wantonly destroy property that the taxpayer pays to repair. They learn no respect or discipline at home or in the aftercare facility. They are fed 3 squares a day.
Most will be living in public housing after high school. Public education isn't going to solve most of their problems as they are familial and cultural. Deal with it. Your socialist Utopia doesn't exist and can't exist as it denies human nature or thinks it can control it through force.

As some say there is a high cost to low living.

Libertarians and liberals think they can avoid paying the piper as we slouch towards Sodom and Gomorrah.

An amoral/immoral society is destined for the trash heap.

I also live 20 miles outside Nashville. Now I cant afford Hogwarts aka Ingram or many of the other high end private schools but I sacrifice mightily to see that my kids are put in a socially safe environment, given a chance to know Christ and a good education.

The second on the list would go a long way to fixing education, especially, for the self-inflicted perpetually poor but He was run off by SCOTUS many decades ago.

 

Strike the womanizing son of a bootlegging Nazi sympathizer and add Coolidge and Reagan and sign me up. I can teach History with emphasis on the founding, Math including Calculus, Computers, Physics, the Old Testament including introduction to the sôd level of interpretation, Revelation along with other prophetic studies and Government classes.

 

Because it hasn't yet, and this has been ongoing for 30 some odd years.

A huge supply hasn't created any new schools or vastly expanded any older ones.

It turns out parents want to send their kids to places with a REPUTATION, not an empty seat. And reputations take time, and time is a gamble.

 

Most private schools aren't run for profit.