This is why I stay out of the abortion fray as much as I can, if you honest to God believe it's murder, than I won't be convincing you otherwise, and vice versa. At the end of the day the conversation goes around and around and everyone ends up right back where they started.
Depends on your take on conception, etc I suppose. I don't consider it murder, I don't consider myself "for" abortion, but a woman has the right to make that call for herself, in my book.
Don't wanna deal with the consequences, don't do the deed. We have bought into this idea, culturally, that sex is safe. As a woman you are physically allowing something to enter your body. We refuse to allow a vaccine to enter our body because we don't know it's side effects. We reject foods that are not "whole", "organic", whatever to enter our body because we don't know the union tended side effects. Yet a penis, which if its a good one, will drop a potent load of baby makers - we know that and welcome it. Sex is fulfilling one of its main purposes when life is created. That's not the root of the problem.
Don't want me to force you to give up over 9 months of your life that will change your body forever and possibly kill you; don't have sex. Gotcha.
So now we've expanded telling people what to do with the personal lives and relationships beyond the realm of even this discussion. That's cool.
You're a self proclaimed social liberal, I'm a conservative. We aren't going to agree on this. I think it is interesting that its the one topic that makes both sides lose their minds tho.
I don't lose my mind on the topic. I wish there were no abortion same as you. Where we differ is that I do not think I have the right to force my belief on another person in a situation that can kill them. You think that you should have that power over them.
I never said I should have power over anything. You and I are never gonna impact this discussion one lick.
How are you going to abolish abortion (which based upon your post is what you want to do; correct?) without the Law (power)?
I will go back to the argument about it being murder; how do you murder something that can't breathe?