Different states, different experiences. The folks I know from California are like you say droski, the folks I know back home are like Uni says. Hell, I hear that from both liberals and republicans in Colorado, who seem to be oblivious of one another despite living in the same neighborhoods.
How can anyone destroy Obama's legacy. The events are the events and your excuses won't change anything. The guy's legacy is married to a really shoddy health insurance plan written by the insurers and a hyper-inflated stock market. The inflation to come will be added to his tally. What else is there? Either the events happened or they didn't. I can't by any measure call the guy even a decent president.
Legacy certainly can be determined by perception which is why the legacy of Reagan surely differs between your and my perception, despite the status of events. So it will be with Obama, unless Obamacare crashes and burns in the manner you've been promising for years now.
it's already crashing and burning. do you really think there is any chance whatsoever it will be looked upon favorably by history?
It is? Perception. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/17/the-five-biggest-lies-about-obamacare.html For the record, I'm not the biggest fan of Obamacare, but I'm also not buying the dire consequences, entirely.
huh? from this article: Second, the law isn’t getting any more popular. It’s true that some polls, which ask respondents whether to “keep and fix” the Affordable Care Act or repeal it, generally produce majorities saying the former. But that doesn’t mean people have warmed to it, and in early August, a Kaiser Family Foundation tracking poll generated some inexplicably bad numbers. The basic favorable-unfavorable rating was 37 to 53 percent. That 53 percent represented a staggering eight-point negative spike since June.
I think you are missing the point in that the concept that it is a big failure or crashing and burning is not necessarily a consensus, nor a sure thing. The poll numbers he notes just mean they have fluctuated by what he considers a lie riddled campaign against it that won't necessarily hold up.
You think the American people haven't noticed their costs and deductibles going dramatically up since it passed? I also love the number of enrolled people argument. How many of those people are getting subsidies? isn't that a hell of a lot more relevant than the number of people enrolled?
Swing voters are not nearly as plentiful as we are led to believe http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/23/u...in-midterm-elections.html?_r=0&abt=0002&abg=1
Invent them? No. Reinvent them? Yes. Is this going to be shoved sideways up the Dems ass for the next 3 generations? Yes.
I think the most humorous bit is how we are careful to provide some sort of link, whereas others just lay down "how it is" without being subjected to the same level of scrutiny. Like the swing voters thing. 3 generations. So this is like worse than a broken mirror, huh? Can you put something tangible or testable up to that? What will "getting it shoved up their ass sideways" look like, in terms of the real world? What will you point to as an indication of such?
I still don't think is addresses The GOP's identity issues. This wasn't a win for them, but more against rejecting Obama. The GOP didn't win on any great organized issue other than not being Obama.
That's what I'm saying as well. I don't think this election means success for the GOP in 2016 unless Obama goes crazy with POs.
Please. Obamacare kicking in is finally going to be an albatross. He has spent a huge amount of effort and political capital in kicking that can down the road so it doesn't hurt his own elections. There is an enormous chance, barring enormous events, that it will trash Dems next cycle.
