Should All Votes Count, Equally?

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by Tenacious D, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Voting with an ID would be around 10,000 times simpler than filing taxes.
     
  2. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    It's really hard to show an ID. This is why the alcohol industry is in the toilet
     
  3. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain


    I've notice referendums in dry counties and cities go wet around here lately. Maybe that's because those against alcohol sales never bothered to get and ID.
     
  4. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I can file my taxes at 7-11 or online. I can't vote nearly so easily, ID or not.
     
  5. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    How much time do you spend on the paperwork? Does a government agent come visit you at your house if you accidentally vote for the wrong candidate?
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I spent less time doing my taxes (~2 hours, and I'm slow), than I did standing in line to caucus and then caucusing (3 hours).
     
  7. bigpapavol

    bigpapavol Chieftain

    Get of the silliness. You'd spend far less getting an ID.
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I don't even know what you're talking about right now. Silliness? No one has even demonstrated a need for an ID, and you're acting like it would somehow address the problem I'm pointing out regarding how much time and difficulty there is in voting WITHOUT them?

    And by the way, I have an ID. Most people do. But not everyone, and the constitution doesn't say [penis] about having a right to vote "as long as you have gotten out and gotten an ID."
     
  9. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    What if I told you that there was no net loss of voters in states that required ID's at the polls?

    Then, what if I told you that it actually lead to more voting, in some states, and that not a single evidentiary proof has been given to show that it has any negative impact at all?
     
  10. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Then I would point to the people who are American citizens who are not allowed to vote, by the hundreds and thousands. You can easily see them getting turned away. Voter turnout has been increasing despite of all this because people are increasingly fired up.
     
  11. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    But the Constitution details quite thoroughly all the hoops we jump through to uphold one of the first ten bills, right? Pretty sure the original version had all that waiting period and background check stuff in there.

    And the kind of outfits that wait to solve an easily correctable problem until there is ample evidence that the problem is rampant are exactly the kinds of businesses that go bankrupt, or more specifically, the kinds of governments that measure their debt in the tens of trillions.
     
  12. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    But not fired up enough to make a trip to the DMV. That'd be all suppressive and such.
     
  13. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Or unable to. Or unable to miss an entire day of work waiting. Or unable to afford a 60 dollar round trip Uber to get there. Or any number of reasons that shouldn't take their constitutional rights away.
     
  14. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Again. 2 years to get it done. If you can't do it, you don't give a shit.
     
  15. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Then it would sound like you've solved a problem that doesn't even exist. Of course, it would have to be true, as well, but it's not.
     
  16. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Who gives a shit how long? Prove we need it first, then make voting more cumbersome for people as a result of a need.
     
  17. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    That's the kind of bullshit logic that kept Fulmer's dumbass assistants around for a decade.
     
  18. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    No, it wasn't. These assistants could be demonstrably proven to be poor coaches, which is something that can't be proven in your scenario about IDs.
     
  19. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    No. We'd bring in four and five star talent. A few would evidently perform very well and the head man pretended all was well. We allowed an easily correctable problem to fester until we lost to mother****ing Vanderbilt. That's how unsuccessful operations work.
     
  20. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Losing to Vanderbilt is evidence that they weren't doing very well. I'm not sure you're following how this analogy should work.
     

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