Muhammad Ali Dead at 74

Discussion in 'Sports' started by Unimane, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    I don't find people going to Canada as heroic or commendable, at all. Stand up and make your statement like Ali did, without running. The ones who stayed in Canada I have a little more respect, since they, at least, followed through with their position. Ali getting something significant out of refusing to serve was not inevitable, or even likely, at all, in 1967.
     
  2. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    That makes him insane not dumb.
     
  3. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    I've known plenty of people who lack book smarts, but with other kinds of intelligences.
     
  4. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    Why? They gave up their professions. Their citizenship? Their future? Same argument you made. They weren't famous enough to get away with not running and ending up in jail. So you really beleive he would have refused to serve if we were in peacetime?
     
  5. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    I'd agree. But iq tests aren't all about book smarts. This wasn't the sat.
     
  6. Savage Orange

    Savage Orange I need ammunition, not a ride. -V Zelensky.

    True, true...
     
  7. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    First, Ali was going to jail except for a last ditch decision by the Supreme Court. Second, that's not even close to the same argument I made. Now you're just being silly.
     
  8. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    And you seriously think that happens for Joe Schmoe? of course it is.
     
  9. Savage Orange

    Savage Orange I need ammunition, not a ride. -V Zelensky.

    This... I know a guy that started his own trucking company and today is a multi, MULTI millionaire who openly brags about his 90 IQ. I actually met Ali in Columbus in the early to mid 1990's at a signing event. He was barely coherent even then but I found him to be very personable and even in his diminished state, a real card... I really wish I still had his autograph but it got lost over the years. I'm not an autograph type of guy but I wanted to get his.
     
  10. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Yes, terrible that he was able to have his case heard in our court system.

    One might also say he was targeted because of his notoriety.
     
  11. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    One also might say that's absurd
     
  12. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    The Supreme Court isn't TMZ. They didn't take Ali's case because he was famous. They took it because it was compelling and worthwhile, in their opinion.

    And, you're kidding yourself if you don't think the government wasn't targeting outspoken black men in the 1960s. Making an example of Ali would have been really appealing to a lot of people at that time.
     
  13. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    So all the other guys who ended up in jail were just unlucky?
     
  14. Savage Orange

    Savage Orange I need ammunition, not a ride. -V Zelensky.

    Ali, like Jack Johnson before him, took America's racism and threw it right back in our faces. I think there's something to the notion that Ali was "targeted"...
     
  15. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    Well he was very anti mixed marriage
     
  16. Savage Orange

    Savage Orange I need ammunition, not a ride. -V Zelensky.

    True, but most, if not all of NOI was anti-interracial marriage.
     
  17. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    You're right, in an 8-0 ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that Ali was just too famous to go to jail.

    Or, those guys in jail had poor lawyers, didn't have justifiable reasons according to the court, didn't fight the charge, etc., etc.
     
  18. droski

    droski Traffic Criminal

    So being rich and famous did or did not help him?
     
  19. Savage Orange

    Savage Orange I need ammunition, not a ride. -V Zelensky.

    When did that ruling come down? I ask because of the MLK murder. I wonder if the thought of jailing Ali on the heels of King's murder would have been catalyst for rioting... Just a thought.


    Never mind. Two seconds of research shows it was a 1971 ruling. Disregard.
     
  20. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Wait, your issue is that he access to a good lawyer? I don't know the specifics of those guys who went to jail for refusing to enlist. I was just theorizing. I do know that Ali had his day in court, as per his constitutional rights, and his fame wasn't a consideration in the verdict in his favor, in the end.
     

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