The Death of Ahmaud Arbery

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by IP, May 5, 2020.

  1. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

    A man was shot while out on a jog along the road. The men who shot him claim they thought he was a burglar, and that he was shot while wrestling away a gun. The men are not in custody and have yet to be charged with a crime. It's somewhat reminiscent of the Trayvon Martin story, but in this case there is a video:

  2. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    So, what I ascertain from the story is this. He was a guy jogging on the road and someone says this looks like the guy from our security camera who robbed us previously. They chase him down in their trucks with shotguns and say "Hey, we want to talk to you". Within a few seconds they are fighting and the jogger is shot and killed.

    To me, this sounds worse than the Trayvon Martin case. I can't imagine how chasing down a clearly unarmed guy jogging on the road, trying to force him to stop and then you shooting him when he, naturally, freaks out and attacks you is self-defense.
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  3. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    Very weird video.

    I’m not exactly sure what the explanation is, but can’t think of one that results in the 2 guys with guns not being in the wrong.

    But if that’s the defense these guys are going with, they are mentally impaired and should be wards of the state. “He’s our running in the street in broad daylight! Must be on his way to commit a crime!”
  4. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    In that scenario you follow the guy while calling the police, unless you’re worried about drawing attention to the meth lab back home.

    If they really were robbed and took it upon themselves to apprehend this guy, the book should be thrown at them to make an example.
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  5. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

    It's clearly "worse" in the sense that there is not really a way to justify these guys not being at least booked.
  6. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    I don’t know what happened. Neither does anyone else, even after watching this video.

    I don’t know what preceded the fighting / gunshots, and that’ll likely be the case.

    If they had reason to confront him, and he tried to forcibly take their gun, they’re probably justified in the use of deadly force.

    If they had no right to confront him, and he tried to fight back and take their weapon, I can’t see how deadly force is justified, and this is straight up murder.

    The family’s account of what he was doing that preceded the shooting is probably about as meaningless as what the shooter’s family thinks he was doing.

    If they were unauthorized in their use of deadly force, it’s murder and they should be held fully responsible - in both criminal and civil court.

    We’ve seen too many of these, where things look decidedly different, until placed under unflinching and unbiased scrutiny.
  7. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

    If I am on foot and a truck passes and stops in front of me with two plain clothes guys brandishing guns and trying to grab me, I am going to assume I am fighting for my life.
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  8. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    I’m not really sure about police procedure for that kind of thing. Probably didn’t have that video right away.
  9. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    It seems like the only way these guys could even kind of be in the clear was if this guy picked the fight, which is extraordinarily hard to imagine or maybe if for some insane reason this dude just happened to be out for a jog right where these guys he robbed were hanging out, armed.
  10. cpninja

    cpninja Member

    you should listen to what they have to say and debate it in the marketplace of ideas first
  11. CardinalVol

    CardinalVol Uncultured, non-diverse mod

    I've learned not to make a rushed judgement on these. Looks bad, yes. Avoided? Most likely.

    If they were not justified at all, fry em.
  12. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    If that’s what happened, I’ll immediately and totally agree.

    If that’s what happened.
  13. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    No, you should just assume that you know, immediately brandish all other possibilities as being crazy, close debate, deny scrutiny and hang these guys.

    I hate that you have the appearance of wanting to be reasonable, and every time I turn around, you’re saying something glaringly idiotic.
  14. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    That’s why it’s smart to have your own gun to brandish
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  15. IP

    IP Advanced Pruitt Apologetics Bot

    If he was armed, then they would have said he pulled on them... you know, like they clearly did.
  16. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    There’s the option that he could have successfully defended himself too if armed.

    If they’re guilty of wrong doing, they should face charges
  17. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    When jogging?
  18. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    There’s places in the world that I’d want to be armed if jogging.
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  19. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    By the way, here's the memo from the District Attorney on the matter.

    I'm not a legal expert, but it seems a very defensively crafted writing almost acting as if it were from the men's attorney themselves instead of a neutrally crafted memo detailing his decision.
  20. JohnnyQuickkick

    JohnnyQuickkick Great Man

    It’s not like dumbasses shoot you a text to let you know when they’re gonna dumbass

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