POLITICS President Trump: 100+ Mornings After (Term 1 Complete)

Discussion in 'Politicants' started by IP, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Yes. The Democratic Party is a complete cluster****.

    If Trump wasn't such a buffoon and threatened to want to dismantle the country I so love, I would be enjoying the show. But he scares me more than any other President I have ever had since I was born (that I can remember, as Ford is the first President I have any memories of), and is by far, in his first 4+ months of President, the worst of them all. And by a country mile.
     
  2. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    I don't immediately and vomitously disagree with this.
     
  3. Tenacious D

    Tenacious D The law is of supreme importance, or no importance

    All of it, but 2:55 is damned near prescient.

    [youtube]9yslB3BkDm8[/youtube]
     
  4. The Dooz

    The Dooz Super Moderator

    Actually yes, I do think you care and yes, again, I have been paying attention.
     
  5. dc4utvols

    dc4utvols Contributor

    LOL! I despised the man (wrote in Cruz) but I give him more credit than many on here. Then again I dont watch the national news. I will take a guy who might wreck the gubmint over one who expands it any day.

    But if it all goes to Hades, I know of a nice little central American country that I might move to. Sure they are socialist too but pretty much too poor to be a nanny state and they leave expats alone for the most part. I could buy a nice spread with a house for 40K USD, become a dual citizen in 5 years and I already have reached that country's retirement age which would exempt me from income and property taxes. Its got high crime in the native areas but I think the expat communities are pretty safe. I also hear most things are .25 on the dollar. Then there is seafood!

    I hope to see this thing turn around and that means a significantly smaller central government, a return to the judeo-chrisitan ethos, respect for private property and a return of power to the states.

    Freedom (liberty not licentiousness) works.

    I look for it in everything. I looked at it when I decided to start a business. I looked at it when I decided not to rebuild that business from what was lost in 2009. Its 10% of what it once was. I look at it in the Non- Profit work I do for my kids private school. I looked at it when I signed up for Uber and Door Dash. I look at it as I try to build an online business.

    I haven't punched a clock in 13 years.
     
  6. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Yes, that is the divide: those who are fine with wrecking their own government and those who are not.
     
  7. dc4utvols

    dc4utvols Contributor

    Thats because some mistake the gubmint for the country. Some mistake love of the dirt under their feet for patriotism. A constitutional gubmint limited to its enumerated powers would be a nightmare for most left leaning collectivist/progressives. But for the average Joe, we wouldn't miss it. For the patriot we would affirm it.

    The saying wasn't give me free stuff, a big intrusive gubmint, a welfare state,social security etc or give me death.

    When we repeal 1913 we might have a chance...Convention of the States is our hope. Liberty is our plan.
     
  8. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Go to your socialist central American country already. You got yours, right?
     
  9. dc4utvols

    dc4utvols Contributor

    LOL I haven't given up on this place yet. But its pretty far gone. 20T in debt. 200T in unfunded liabilities. China Russia and the others looking to displace the dollar.

    I heard Calpers is 1T in debt and even the left leaning voters in Cali are upset over the gas tax. You boys sold a bill of goods to the average dem voter and the masses expect only the rich to pay taxes. LOL. Does Cali really expect the other 49 states to bail out their pension plans? Yes they do.

    I guarantee if the Senate was back to its pre-1913 form it would tell Cali to pound sand. With duplicitous RINOs in charge of the purse strings who knows if they will sell out the country to bail out Cali?
     
  10. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    When trying to draw absolutes, yes. If your Bama friends are saying Bama is, was, and will always be better than Tennessee, then yes, their blinding arrogance has caused them to state something entirely untrue, and illogical. And that is exactly what you've stated.

    I know you struggle with answering questions, because an answer shows you your error, but the question was are those two better, because they won?

    If no, then your premise that winners are better is wrong. If yes, then the question is to you: have you just not emigrated yet? Because I don't think winners are better, I have other metrics. You're the idiot saying who won is better.
     
  11. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Word on the street is education will be cheaper, so maybe some of the people that voted for him can get some. That might help.
     
  12. fl0at_

    fl0at_ Humorless, asinine, joyless pr*ck

    Bump. Because I love an awkward silence.
     
  13. dc4utvols

    dc4utvols Contributor

    I started looking into a Convention of the States about 2 years before Levin came on board. I also favor the Fair Tax.

    I think the two most popular items should be done first because the public favors them. That would be a balanced budget amendment with an 18% GDP cap and term limits.

    Article:

    "When Democrats launched into a spontaneous chorus of "Na na na na, hey hey, goodbye" on the House floor after the passage of the American Health Care Act last month, it may have marked a modern-day low mark in open hostility on the House floor.

    It and numerous other cultural barometers – from cable news contributors losing their cool, to contentious town halls, to street fights – are signaling tectonic rumblings in America's political health.

    In 1804, Vice President Aaron Burr and former Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton settled their bitter political feud with a pistol duel that took Hamilton’s life, but Article Five of the Constitution offers a more civilized resolution – a Convention of the States.

    STATES' RIGHTS ADVOCATES EYE CONVENTION TO BYPASS CONGRESS, AMEND CONSTITUTION

    It is an option not exercised since before the signing of the Constitution. But it's gaining new strength and new adherents.

    "It is the only process that is available to address what Washington is doing. Washington is not going to fix itself," said radio talk show host and author, Mark Levin.

    In his book, The Liberty Amendments, Levin dissects the remedy of a Convention of the States. With 9 million listeners a day on radio and a devoted following that shows up by the thousands for his book signings, Levin has helped increase its popularity, and lent grass-roots energy to the Convention of States Project. It claims 2.8 million volunteers, and is expected to grow to 10 million by the end of this year, with district directors in every congressional district.

    While 11 state legislatures, most recently Texas, have already supported a convention of the states, that number is far short of the 34 states the Constitution requires before a convention can be called.

    GEORGIA GOVERNOR APPROVES CARRYING CONCEALED GUNS ON CAMPUS

    "If people who believe in liberty get behind this, I think we'll get our 34 states," says Levin. "If we get 15, 18, 20, 22 states, I think Washington is going to begin to shake. And Washington is going to understand that this process in the Constitution, it actually bypasses Washington, bypasses federal government." he says.

    With Republicans in full control of 32 state houses, supporters believe a convention is within reach. They say its agenda would form around a set of core principles. Among them:

    *requiring a balanced budget

    *reducing the federal regulatory burden on the states

    *restoring state sovereignty by eliminating federal mandates and grants

    *and allowing a two-thirds majority of the states to override Supreme Court decisions, federal laws and regulations.

    "I said on the Senate floor in 2006, there’s a rumble in our country. You just saw part of that rumble in the last election," says former U.S. Senator Tom Coburn, R-OK, a supporter of a Convention of the States, whose book on the subject is set to be released soon. "The Founders added this to the Constitution because they recognized that never in history has a central government ceded power back to its people. So this is a safety check."

    Coburn bluntly told a Congressional panel last year after his retirement: "America doesn’t trust you anymore. That’s the truth."

    He told Fox News this week that Congress's inability to balance its checkbook is his single greatest concern.

    "We have $144 trillion in debt and unfunded liabilities. For every taxpayer that is a million bucks," he said. "But for the millennials, it's $1.7 million each that they're going to have to come up with over the next 50 years...."

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/15/push-for-convention-states-to-rein-in-government-gains-steam.html
     
  14. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    We must live in different countries, because I do not feel the yoke of the Government around my shoulders.
     
  15. kptvol

    kptvol Super Moderator

    I feel it pretty good when I write that check every quarter.
     
  16. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Mine is taken out before I see it, so I guess that is a big difference.
     
  17. Volst53

    Volst53 Super Moderator

    To those not engaging in enterprise, generally won't.

    There's not too many regulations on going to work and coming home for dinner.
     
  18. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    I have gotten the sense that the staunchest libertarian/conservatives tend to be self-employed or business owners, based on this forum alone.
     
  19. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Probably and the biggest reason, like kptvol says, that check every quarter sucks.
     
  20. NorrisAlan

    NorrisAlan Founder of the Mike Honcho Fan Club

    Is it because you think "I am sending this off to some black hole and I get nothing in return" (which of course, is probably not completely true)? I imagine you plan for that expense and charge your customer's accordingly? And if you didn't have to write that big fat check, would you charge less?

    I have never, not once, thought "I should open my own business." I like my time off. I like someone else having to deal with the headaches of owning and running the company. But I will never have the chance to be wealthy because of that either. Only those taking the risks and stepping up to bat make the big bucks or strike out. I am not up for that when it comes to my livelihood. I envy those that have the nuttsack to do it.
     

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