Should All Votes Count, Equally?

Discussion in 'The Thunderdome' started by Tenacious D, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I just don't think you give a shit about people's right to vote.
     
  2. NashVol11

    NashVol11 Well-Known Member

    They shouldn't have to. You're creating an extra step for no reason. We should be making it easier for more people to vote, not adding obstacles.
     
  3. NashVol11

    NashVol11 Well-Known Member

    If someone doesn't have an ID, and has an epiphany on Election Day and decides to vote, they should be able to vote. There's no reason to get the DMV involved.
     
  4. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    I'm still wondering why it's a good policy to create a law that will eliminate thousands of otherwise eligible voters in order to catch the far, far fewer fraudulent votes that, statistically, barely exist anyway. The protest of "can't you just go and...?" is irrelevant if you should have to in the first place.
     
  5. GahLee

    GahLee Director of Conspiracy Theories, 8th Maxim

    You gotta have an ID to buy beer, you should have to have one to vote.
     
  6. NashVol11

    NashVol11 Well-Known Member

    Why? It's much more important for us to have people voting than to have people buying beer. There's not really a good reason to make it more difficult to participate in elections.
     
  7. GahLee

    GahLee Director of Conspiracy Theories, 8th Maxim

    Having an ID isn't difficult. You and IP are making it seem like the impossible. This is minimum requirement shit.
     
  8. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    Easy or hard isn't relevant. There's no reason, demonstrably, for there to be this requirement. The people who state that there's been practically no voter fraud without the ID requirement have hard evidence of this fact. Those who advocate the ID requirement can't do the same. It's a solution in search of a problem.
     
  9. GahLee

    GahLee Director of Conspiracy Theories, 8th Maxim

    How many people are without an ID? Seriously. Of that number of people, how many want to vote? Guessing we are talking about a very small number, having an ID doesn't matter to the vast majority of voters or would be voters.
     
  10. Unimane

    Unimane Kill "The Caucasian"

    There are, according to the article I linked above, about 21 million Americans who don't have or use IDs. I still fail to see a reason to create a requirement for a problem that has not been proven, in any way, to exist beyond exceptionally rare circumstances. If the justification for having the requirement isn't valid or proven necessary, then why is the requirement valid or necessary?
     
  11. NashVol11

    NashVol11 Well-Known Member

    That's beside the point. You're basically saying the government is free to impose whatever irrelevant requirement it wants, as long as it's "easy," as judged by the people who have already met the requirement.
     
  12. OrangeEmpire

    OrangeEmpire Take a chance, Custer did

    It's a shame that a live scan voting wouldn't be practical.

    That would eliminate any thing and every thing.
     
  13. GahLee

    GahLee Director of Conspiracy Theories, 8th Maxim

    No, I'm not basically saying that. I'm not sure how anyone goes through life without an ID, I don't see what the big deal is, I'm not advocating they draw DNA samples beforehand. It's an ID, something every normal functioning adult should have.
     
  14. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    Watching this thread and seeing who is arguing against the government creating extra burden really is pure gold. Serious question... Why should we have IDs at all?
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2016
  15. Beechervol

    Beechervol Super Moderator

    "People in general are stupid.'

    - my former employer
     
  16. justingroves

    justingroves supermod

    Me either, unless you live in a tent
     
  17. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    32,000 in North Carolina, as of the Democratic primary.

    "The vast majority" is not a compelling or relevant argument. You're talking about infringing on 32,000 North Carolinians' constitutional rights.
     
  18. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    Why do you get to define "normal," and why does being "normal" matter in terms of constitutional rights?
     
  19. warhammer

    warhammer Chieftain

    How are lovers of government not advocating a door to door ID service here? Imagine the government growth and intrusion into the private lives of citizens that could spring forth from such a program.
     
  20. IP

    IP Super Moderator

    I already did. Of course, I do so only if we are requiring every citizen to have one to vote.
     

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