The Great Bathroom Debate

Curious to know where some of the 8ther's stand on the current debate on transgender individuals and what bathroom they decide to use. I've seen a lot of vitriol from both sides, but I honestly can't understand the simplicity of going to the bathroom that is associated with what you possess down there. There are just too many variables you throw into the mix, when mixing kids/adults of different sexes in the same bathroom. Maybe I'm over simplifying it, but it shouldn't be this hard to figure out. It's a privacy thing, not an equal rights thing.

 

Couldn't agree more. It's no different than the Jim Crow Laws of the 60's, where the white people were merely wanting to ensure that the black man didn't breathe up all of their air.

 

We have a thread on this.


What are you afraid of, exactly? Specifically?

 

I don't want a grown ass man in the bathroom with my daughter. Period.

I don't care what he/she possesses. It's not the fact that I think a transgender person would hurt my kids. But there are some sick ****ers out there that would, and could hide behind this to prey on kids.

 

Cosigned

 

The last sentence is obviously the biggest concern for most I know that oppose it.

 

How can the hide behind "this?" And is "this" referring to the time before it was actually illegal? Surely there are many examples of pedophiles hanging out without notice in the opposite sex's restroom, right?

Maybe we should ban men from men's rooms. Most pedophiles are men.

 

Tell your child to go to the bathroom, and then let them see someone of the opposite gender come in and use the restroom next to them, that isn't their mother or father. How's the conversation go to explain that event to them in a way that allows them to feel secure and safe in that restroom around people of the opposite sex they don't know? People are too focused on making this a rights issue, and if people think that conversation can happen effectively with a 5 year old, then they are a tad bit deluded, IMO.

 

You just made his point. Good job.

 

Of course pedophiles use it.

This shit just muddies the waters and allows them to have a "safe haven."

"I'm not a ****ed up pervert. I just don't know what I identify as, so you can't do shit to me."

To be so damn smart IP, you don't have a ****ing lick of common sense.

 

The paranoia is strong in here.

 

People love to crucify those individuals who deal in kiddie porn, but would welcome legislation that could drop the curtain completely in public for those exact people. Yeah, don't think I would call that paranoia, more like a lack of common sense. I'm all for people being able to express who they are, but at some point the equal rights movements like this one start to drift from a common sense approach, and approach a level of giving away a sense of privacy/safety for the reasoning of allowing .3% of the US population to be able to use the restroom in what they believe is a safe environment. To be honest, it's more likely to go the way they don't want it to, than if they did nothing, which I think would hurt those people even more.

 

There are also people who will pay to watch women using the bathroom. Just saying

 

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I understand this completely, but law or no law, it can be exploited. Depending on the outcome, creepers can throw on a dress and wander into the bathroom and say they identify as a woman. On the flip side, they can wander into the women's restroom looking like they always do and say they were born a woman so they are forced to use the women's restroom even though they identify as, and look like, a man. Bottom line, creepers gonna creep.

 

Anyone ever compare the prevalence of pedophilic crimes committed in public restrooms vs public schools?

Offices? Dollywood? Ballpark? Front yard?

If we're going to start disallowing our kids to go anywhere where pedophilic crimes are know to have occurred, let's start with the biggest areas of risk, first.

Like, churches.

 

Wait, what?

If it's "not the fact that a transgender person would hurt my kids.."...then why are we making this strictly about transgendered people, exactly?

How about people who have actually been convicted of a sexual crime involving a minor? Wouldn't they be the biggest risk? I'd rather my kid pass Caitlyn Jenner in the restroom than some convicted pedophile.

What am I missing here?

 

If you have a penis, use the men's room. If you have a vagina, use the women's.

I don't understand the confusion

 

Which restroom should he use?

 

As someone with some gleaned knowledge of pedophiles in the criminal justice system, two quick thoughts:

1. There are likely more pedophiles around your child when you are walking through the mall, than you'd be comfortable knew existed in the world.

2. A public restroom is just about the last place I'd imagine that a pedophile would look for - or require - to commit any heinous act versus a minor.

This is about people wanting to disallow and deny the rights of a transgendered person to use a public restroom of the sex which they identify as being, simply because they exist, or because you disagree with their decision and feel that this somehow invalidates it.

It doesn't.